Wilkinson, Dave (Interview)
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Title
Wilkinson, Dave (Interview)
Subject
Testimonial about Western University in London, Ontario during the 1970s, discussing popular culture, the female experience, ideology and generational differences, and sexuality and harassment.
Description
2023-11-1
Relation
"Interview with Dave Wikkinson." Life on Campus, November 2, 2023. Video,
https://youtu.be/nu7WhJHAE74?si=J1EN0amFbW76fFx7
Format
MP4, 28 minutes, 18 seconds
Language
English
Type
oral history
Oral History Item Type Metadata
Interviewer
Mokhtare Zadeh, Tara
Location
Toronto, Ontario, Canada (via Teams)
Transcription
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Tara Mokhtare Zadeh
OK, so I'm testing it right now and it doesn't seem the echo is affecting it.
0:0:6.470 --> 0:0:8.20 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So, OK, there we go.
0:3:19.180 --> 0:3:22.750 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So I'll start the recording process now.
0:3:29.880 --> 0:3:30.650 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK.
0:3:30.980 --> 0:3:36.880 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So we'll begin with the first section, which is impact of popular culture.
0:3:37.810 --> 0:3:48.990 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So cultural historians have argued that television, Hollywood, popular music in a consumer culture built around automobiles created a more integrated North American popular culture.
0:3:50.300 --> 0:3:57.550 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh We want to better understand how students relate together with popular culture.
0:3:57.980 --> 0:4:3.320 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So there were less electronics in Canadian society during the 1970s.
0:4:3.690 --> 0:4:8.970 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh How was your leisure time structured, or what did students do for fun in the 1970s?
0:4:11.740 --> 0:4:13.30 Dave We weren't on our cell phones.
0:4:16.820 --> 0:4:17.310 Dave Golly.
0:4:20.200 --> 0:4:21.310 Dave I've umm.
0:4:22.330 --> 0:4:26.40 Dave I had a car so I did and it kept me pretty poor.
0:4:26.270 --> 0:4:28.540 Dave You either had a car or you could have a social life.
0:4:28.630 --> 0:4:29.420 Dave I picked a car.
0:4:31.250 --> 0:4:31.780 Dave I didn't.
0:4:31.870 --> 0:4:36.910 Dave I didn't go out a lot so I I I I didn't live on campus.
0:4:36.920 --> 0:4:37.940 Dave I lived off campus.
0:4:37.950 --> 0:4:41.460 Dave My my first degree, but there I didn't.
0:4:44.90 --> 0:4:47.60 Dave I meet a lot of people there.
0:4:47.70 --> 0:4:47.320 Dave I'm.
0:4:47.330 --> 0:4:58.880 Dave I'm not that at that time wasn't really going or Calgarian, so I don't think I I didn't go and hang out to to any of the bars or whatever busy studying too.
0:4:58.890 --> 0:4:59.60 Dave A lot.
0:4:59.700 --> 0:5:2.230 Dave Umm and I go home on.
0:5:2.320 --> 0:5:6.60 Dave So I lived in Toronto at the time, so I I'd go home from London to Toronto.
0:5:8.40 --> 0:5:11.140 Dave Many weekends, I think at that time I had a girlfriend.
0:5:12.980 --> 0:5:15.470 Dave So any of the social stuff I did was probably in Toronto.
0:5:18.510 --> 0:5:19.280 Dave I didn't really.
0:5:19.290 --> 0:5:26.880 Dave So I lived off campus, so I didn't do a lot of on campus stuff and I didn't really go out and hang out a lot off campus.
0:5:27.570 --> 0:5:28.280 Dave This, I said.
0:5:28.520 --> 0:5:29.970 Dave If you had a car, you were poor.
0:5:31.940 --> 0:5:32.140 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Yeah.
0:5:31.680 --> 0:5:37.660 Dave I put myself through university mostly so it was whatever my summer job gave me in terms of money.
0:5:37.670 --> 0:5:41.440 Dave That's what I lived on, so it was pretty, pretty Spartan.
0:5:42.880 --> 0:5:52.900 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so I know you said that you didn't spend much time on campus, but what were the most popular hangout spots on and off campus that you are aware of?
0:5:54.180 --> 0:5:58.780 Dave It was a every campus has a bar pub, so I'd go there a bit.
0:6:1.260 --> 0:6:2.410 Dave Let's say I don't really think.
0:6:2.420 --> 0:6:4.350 Dave I mean, there'd be football games.
0:6:4.360 --> 0:6:10.240 Dave You know the the the people go to umm, you really hang out that much?
0:6:10.600 --> 0:6:14.310 Dave Umm I I hadn't met that many people.
0:6:14.540 --> 0:6:15.200 Dave Men or women?
0:6:19.30 --> 0:6:21.870 Dave Yeah, I don't really didn't really do that much on campus, to be honest.
0:6:23.360 --> 0:6:23.940 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK.
0:6:23.980 --> 0:6:27.360 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Did you attend any live music events during your university years?
0:6:28.640 --> 0:6:29.150 Dave They had.
0:6:29.900 --> 0:6:33.50 Dave Yeah, there was a concert venue off campus.
0:6:33.250 --> 0:6:39.510 Dave A few shows dating with Murray McLaughlin was one vice Canadian folk singer.
0:6:40.160 --> 0:6:44.560 Dave A few of those, but again, I'm I didn't spend a lot of money on that.
0:6:44.570 --> 0:6:45.880 Dave So a few things.
0:6:46.670 --> 0:6:51.590 Dave Mostly it'd be like a, a, a concert or something like that rock concert.
0:6:53.110 --> 0:6:55.660 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so I'll be skipping the next question.
0:6:56.70 --> 0:7:3.340 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So the original question after that is did anglophones and francophones date each other during the 1970s.
0:7:3.530 --> 0:7:8.200 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh But since Western isn't a bilingual institution, I'll change that question.
0:7:8.210 --> 0:7:16.140 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Did anglophones and basically anyone else, whether it was like international students or anything, did they date each other in the 1970s?
0:7:17.690 --> 0:7:32.690 Dave Album I I think so and back then it was a the university was a lot more white and Western is a is is or has been probably still is known as a fairly well off university.
0:7:32.700 --> 0:7:39.600 Dave They the the women on campus, usually we're pretty from from from some money so.
0:7:41.910 --> 0:7:50.990 Dave But I I don't think there was much in the way of uh, you know, mixed cultures or races, but I don't think anybody thought much of it.
0:7:51.0 --> 0:7:55.900 Dave Like if you you just you hung out with these people in class or you date them.
0:7:55.910 --> 0:7:58.140 Dave I don't think there's any issue that I don't think it wasn't.
0:7:58.150 --> 0:8:0.730 Dave It wasn't big or or small or anything like it was just something.
0:8:0.740 --> 0:8:4.680 Dave Ohh well, you know you're you're dating, you know, black girl, brown girl or whatever.
0:8:4.690 --> 0:8:6.50 Dave I don't only get ever matter to anybody.
0:8:7.40 --> 0:8:8.150 Dave You have to remember, was the.
0:8:8.310 --> 0:8:9.490 Dave That was the early 70s.
0:8:9.500 --> 0:8:20.610 Dave So when I did my physics degree and and things were pretty like Toronto was still pretty white back then, it wasn't that there was a lot of other cultures and so on.
0:8:20.620 --> 0:8:22.490 Dave It wasn't that we didn't know about them.
0:8:22.500 --> 0:8:23.570 Dave It just wasn't that common.
0:8:23.580 --> 0:8:26.980 Dave So Western was kind of a microcosm of that.
0:8:27.60 --> 0:8:31.440 Dave So there there wasn't a lot of different cultures and that was.
0:8:33.160 --> 0:8:35.70 Dave 50 years ago so.
0:8:34.950 --> 0:8:35.90 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh You.
0:8:37.600 --> 0:8:43.730 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so we use the term party culture to refer to social activities outside the classroom.
0:8:44.80 --> 0:8:48.410 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh How would you describe the party culture on campus during the 1970s?
0:8:52.100 --> 0:9:0.310 Dave Well, by the time my, my second degree I I started I started 1979, I graduated 92.
0:9:1.120 --> 0:9:7.290 Dave Umm, there was a lot, a lot more party atmosphere than I think that much later.
0:9:8.20 --> 0:9:14.760 Dave But again, I I lived off campus in my PhD degree or my my physiotherapy degree.
0:9:14.770 --> 0:9:17.470 Dave I was married at the time and my first daughter.
0:9:17.480 --> 0:9:23.480 Dave Your Matt's mom was two weeks old when I first started.
0:9:24.100 --> 0:9:31.600 Dave Umm my physiotherapy degree, so there wasn't a lot of social life that I kind of participated in.
0:9:33.340 --> 0:9:39.870 Dave I think most of a lot of my classmates, it was a professional degree, so a lot of my classmates, we got to know each other, we hung out.
0:9:39.880 --> 0:9:44.360 Dave We had a lot of class parties, umm and love love.
0:9:44.370 --> 0:9:49.740 Dave The kids would go to off campus to some of the bars and stuff, so I think that was fairly common all through the 70s.
0:9:52.930 --> 0:9:56.250 Dave I mean, there's only so much on campus, and you're gonna do most of the social life.
0:9:56.300 --> 0:10:0.740 Dave You went off, grabbed a bus with your buddies or whatever when off campus.
0:10:3.60 --> 0:10:7.0 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, So what did the student body think about the Vietnam War?
0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:13.850 Dave Yeah, it's a.
0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:15.930 Dave It's a while ago I I don't.
0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:17.950 Dave It wasn't umm.
0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:22.290 Dave I don't think it's a big thing.
0:10:22.300 --> 0:10:23.800 Dave I mean, it wasn't something we talked about.
0:10:24.900 --> 0:10:28.110 Dave You knew what was going on, but I don't think it was.
0:10:28.340 --> 0:10:36.370 Dave I don't recall it being a big topic of conversation or or, you know, getting together and having, you know, heated conversations about whether right or wrong.
0:10:36.380 --> 0:10:37.560 Dave I would or whatever. Umm.
0:10:38.430 --> 0:10:42.100 Dave I I at that like and by the by the late 70s.
0:10:42.110 --> 0:10:43.130 Dave I don't think it was a.
0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:48.950 Dave Not really a topic of conversation at all, and it wasn't it.
0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:53.50 Dave It was South of the border, so it wasn't as much our problem as it was.
0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.50 Dave I've had friends from high school who went.
0:10:55.620 --> 0:10:58.820 Dave Listed in the states, but it wasn't really our problem.
0:10:58.830 --> 0:11:1.650 Dave I don't think was a lot of conversation about it.
0:11:2.280 --> 0:11:4.570 Dave The way probably was in the state.
0:11:6.110 --> 0:11:12.250 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so rock'n'roll artist in the 1960s have promoted various forms of protest.
0:11:12.590 --> 0:11:17.290 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Did your parents see rock'n'roll as rebellious or just some sort of pop form of popular music?
0:11:20.560 --> 0:11:24.580 Dave My folks are pretty straight at least, so they there was.
0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:27.310 Dave I thought there was a little bit of rebellion or dollars.
0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:28.930 Dave They weren't awful, but they were.
0:11:29.80 --> 0:11:33.110 Dave Mom and Dad were straight down the line, so yes, I would say they were.
0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:36.150 Dave They would consider it a bit rebellious, uh?
0:11:39.620 --> 0:11:42.230 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so some sorry.
0:11:40.670 --> 0:11:45.640 Dave That dad dad used to joke that they were there to be some music on the radio.
0:11:45.650 --> 0:11:48.200 Dave He he'd say those guys aren't gonna finish at the same time.
0:11:48.210 --> 0:11:50.650 Dave Are they all the positions is there?
0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:54.110 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK.
0:11:52.370 --> 0:11:54.380 Dave Sorry, yeah, didn't much show.
0:11:57.50 --> 0:12:8.200 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So some youth culture voices of the 1970s promoted taking recreational drugs to what extent to what extent were recreational drugs available on campus during the 1970s?
0:12:10.930 --> 0:12:11.330 Dave It wasn't.
0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:14.790 Dave It wasn't a big thing.
0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.580 Dave I mean it it there are kids are kids.
0:12:19.170 --> 0:12:22.160 Dave If you wanted pot, you could you always do somebody.
0:12:22.170 --> 0:12:22.800 Dave You could get it.
0:12:22.810 --> 0:12:24.170 Dave It was still illegal then. Obviously.
0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:26.170 Dave Umm yeah.
0:12:26.900 --> 0:12:28.190 Dave I I don't think.
0:12:30.990 --> 0:12:31.330 Dave I don't know.
0:12:31.340 --> 0:12:33.120 Dave There's a lot of regular outside of part of.
0:12:33.130 --> 0:12:34.770 Dave There's a lot of recreational drug use.
0:12:34.810 --> 0:12:36.370 Dave And even cocaine was not.
0:12:38.420 --> 0:12:41.790 Dave Probably by the 80s or 90s, cocaine became more calm.
0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.140 Dave And but I don't think, umm, I didn't know anybody.
0:12:45.150 --> 0:12:45.520 Dave Who?
0:12:45.590 --> 0:12:47.240 Dave Who knew anybody kind of thing?
0:12:47.250 --> 0:12:47.480 Dave Who?
0:12:47.490 --> 0:12:48.60 Dave Who used it?
0:12:48.70 --> 0:12:48.880 Dave Or or or or.
0:12:48.890 --> 0:12:49.800 Dave No, but I mean it was.
0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:55.520 Dave Was around I'm sure, but I think that the most common thing would have been marijuana.
0:12:55.530 --> 0:12:57.450 Dave But again, you had to.
0:12:57.700 --> 0:12:59.650 Dave You had to work hard to get it and.
0:13:1.640 --> 0:13:2.350 Dave Hello I don't.
0:13:4.730 --> 0:13:8.190 Dave So I'm aware of not none of my friends or classmates really used it a lot.
0:13:8.920 --> 0:13:13.500 Dave If anything was marijuana, I don't think anybody I knew used anything else.
0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:15.590 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Here.
0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.890 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So the next question is optional, but I'll ask it anyways.
0:13:18.900 --> 0:13:21.290 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh You could choose to answer it or not.
0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:27.490 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So from the 1970s speak about tripping and taking psychedelics to reach a higher state of consciousness.
0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:31.140 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh To what extent did students on campus use hallucinogens?
0:13:32.450 --> 0:13:32.700 Dave Who?
0:13:32.900 --> 0:13:35.50 Dave I you know, I don't, I don't think so.
0:13:35.60 --> 0:13:39.870 Dave I think I may be naive here, but I I think you're at on campus.
0:13:40.270 --> 0:13:46.780 Dave You have why should have a little bit more money to maybe other campuses, but I I I I don't think there was a really a focus on that.
0:13:46.790 --> 0:13:52.700 Dave I think you kids are kids, obviously, but I don't think there was a lot of tripping went on.
0:13:52.710 --> 0:13:55.800 Dave I mean, you had to still show up for class and not fail out and so on.
0:13:56.130 --> 0:13:56.540 Dave So I don't.
0:13:58.890 --> 0:14:1.290 Dave I don't think at at at Western.
0:14:1.300 --> 0:14:5.980 Dave I don't think there's a big thing at all, and certainly nothing that I heard.
0:14:6.250 --> 0:14:10.40 Dave I mean, I was always something, I guess, but it wasn't really common at all.
0:14:10.470 --> 0:14:13.940 Dave And I again, they were harder to come by even than than marijuana.
0:14:13.980 --> 0:14:14.440 Dave So.
0:14:14.650 --> 0:14:18.750 Dave So I don't think it was a big thing for me on on Western's campus.
0:14:20.250 --> 0:14:20.960 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK.
0:14:21.30 --> 0:14:25.590 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So we'll be moving on to next section, which is about the female experience.
0:14:26.730 --> 0:14:31.720 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So cultural historians have written a lot about what they call the 2nd wave feminism.
0:14:32.210 --> 0:14:38.730 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh That as a part of the counterculture movement, women during the night in the early 1970s sought to break down gender barriers.
0:14:39.250 --> 0:14:45.160 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Does this argument resonate with your experience on the Universe University campus during the early 1970s?
0:14:47.0 --> 0:14:47.890 Dave I would say so.
0:14:47.900 --> 0:14:49.940 Dave I think it was it.
0:14:50.100 --> 0:14:56.480 Dave Yeah, there was a lot of assuming we can do what we want to kind of thing, I mean.
0:14:58.610 --> 0:15:3.660 Dave I I think that was the the the in the the heat of it back then.
0:15:3.670 --> 0:15:14.20 Dave I mean, women were very conscious of doing what they wanted as they wanted, looking out for themselves, career, sex, as they wanted to, relationships as they wanted to.
0:15:14.30 --> 0:15:16.20 Dave I think that was huge back then.
0:15:16.30 --> 0:15:20.90 Dave I it wasn't something you to me.
0:15:20.100 --> 0:15:21.980 Dave It wasn't a big thing, was kind of like, you know, OK.
0:15:22.20 --> 0:15:27.160 Dave Ohh of course you know and I think a lot of it was that it wasn't like people were.
0:15:27.450 --> 0:15:30.960 Dave I don't remember a protester or or things like that.
0:15:31.30 --> 0:15:36.890 Dave On a cap, women on campus protesting stuff like that, which is kind of, we're just going to do like, let's get it done kind of thing.
0:15:36.990 --> 0:15:37.580 Dave It wasn't.
0:15:37.890 --> 0:15:38.760 Dave It wasn't really.
0:15:39.670 --> 0:15:40.410 Dave There was a lot of.
0:15:41.150 --> 0:15:42.870 Dave I'm sad.
0:15:43.450 --> 0:15:46.440 Dave Social action about which is something like you kind of went.
0:15:46.450 --> 0:15:46.800 Dave Yeah, OK.
0:15:46.810 --> 0:15:47.570 Dave This makes sense.
0:15:47.580 --> 0:15:48.870 Dave At least that's my perception of it.
0:15:49.900 --> 0:15:56.570 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so in your own words, what did feminism signify in Canada during the early 1970s?
0:15:59.30 --> 0:15:59.700 Dave Jeez, I don't know.
0:16:5.820 --> 0:16:11.900 Dave I I guess just equality like the do do.
0:16:11.910 --> 0:16:16.990 Dave There's no particular roles that do what you want it to.
0:16:17.660 --> 0:16:20.110 Dave I it wasn't to me.
0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:29.110 Dave It wasn't about and activism or or protesting or whatever I think was just about, well, yeah, just do what?
0:16:29.290 --> 0:16:30.30 Dave What's right?
0:16:30.40 --> 0:16:30.680 Dave You know what I mean?
0:16:30.690 --> 0:16:31.780 Dave I it wasn't.
0:16:31.850 --> 0:16:39.200 Dave I don't think it was a something to galvanized people to to get together and protest or you know, whatever.
0:16:39.210 --> 0:16:40.150 Dave I think it was just kinda.
0:16:40.460 --> 0:16:43.220 Dave Yeah, that's just this is this is right, let's just move on.
0:16:45.260 --> 0:16:49.770 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So gender distinctions were more pronounced in the 1970s than today.
0:16:50.180 --> 0:16:56.820 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh How did being a woman result in different treatment and expectations in classroom or at social events compared to male students?
0:17:3.570 --> 0:17:4.60 Dave Yeah, I know.
0:17:4.70 --> 0:17:7.430 Dave We like, I think roles were still like.
0:17:11.100 --> 0:17:11.440 Dave You're.
0:17:13.820 --> 0:17:14.220 Dave Your.
0:17:15.740 --> 0:17:19.160 Dave Dating and hanging out, it was like a A I don't think.
0:17:22.140 --> 0:17:23.500 Dave I mean a role.
0:17:23.510 --> 0:17:27.590 Dave I don't know if you had classmates who were male, female.
0:17:27.660 --> 0:17:28.490 Dave Have you hung out?
0:17:28.980 --> 0:17:31.680 Dave We'd, we'd laugh and joke and and study.
0:17:37.420 --> 0:17:38.190 Dave OK, this thing.
0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:39.780 Dave Sorry, my phones ringing here.
0:17:40.460 --> 0:17:40.890 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh That's OK.
0:17:42.300 --> 0:17:42.660 Dave I can't even.
0:17:46.930 --> 0:17:47.500 Dave So I don't.
0:17:49.650 --> 0:17:50.970 Dave Like I don't, it's just.
0:17:54.340 --> 0:17:55.150 Dave There wasn't a blur.
0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.60 Dave I I don't know like it was just you.
0:17:59.370 --> 0:18:0.830 Dave Guys hang out with girls like.
0:18:0.840 --> 0:18:3.170 Dave Yeah, because they were girls and and and vice versa.
0:18:3.180 --> 0:18:6.940 Dave Like it wasn't a, it wasn't kind of a confusion or a wondering about that.
0:18:7.90 --> 0:18:9.390 Dave It was just kind of, you know, does that make sense?
0:18:10.650 --> 0:18:11.980 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh I suppose, yeah.
0:18:12.390 --> 0:18:17.220 0:20:59.170 --> 0:21:6.450 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So in the 1970s, where their programs, departments or clubs where women were less present and accepted.
0:21:12.590 --> 0:21:12.800 Dave I'm.
0:21:16.0 --> 0:21:18.70 Dave I don't, I don't think so.
0:21:18.530 --> 0:21:20.0 Dave I'm. I never.
0:21:20.90 --> 0:21:25.140 Dave I didn't join many of those things, so I don't draw a lot of first time knowledge.
0:21:25.150 --> 0:21:25.980 Dave I don't think there was any.
0:21:28.150 --> 0:21:33.940 Dave I think, yeah, nothing that I can think are really any any discrimination that way.
0:21:33.950 --> 0:21:34.500 Dave Any difference?
0:21:36.660 --> 0:21:36.850 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK.
0:21:37.890 --> 0:21:46.770 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh In the sense of departments, I suppose it's meaning like the Steins Department or alike engineering, where they less present in that.
0:21:45.750 --> 0:21:48.580 Dave Ohh, OK Ohh OK, sorry I misunderstood.
0:21:48.590 --> 0:21:48.920 Dave Yeah.
0:21:48.930 --> 0:21:54.810 Dave Well, certainly engineering was, you know, was a guys hang out all the stuff they did.
0:21:54.820 --> 0:21:58.160 Dave There were very few women in engineering.
0:21:58.390 --> 0:22:7.0 Dave More in science, my that's we have a my class in in, umm physiotherapy.
0:22:7.200 --> 0:22:7.840 Dave It was.
0:22:7.990 --> 0:22:11.720 Dave It was thirty students and 25 are women, so that was.
0:22:11.770 --> 0:22:17.560 Dave But I think that kind of reflected more sort of what society expected people to do.
0:22:17.620 --> 0:22:27.650 Dave But the I think that was part of it, that women didn't gravitate into things like engineering and technology math, that sort of thing. Umm.
0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:27.910 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK.
0:22:29.590 --> 0:22:35.280 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So we'll move on to next bit, which is about ideology and generational differences.
0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:44.430 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So historians have written a lot about what they call the counterculture revolution, meaning that you're a generation rebelled against the values of your parents.
0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:52.660 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Generation to what extent did people in your social circle see themselves as needing to mobilize for a more just society and a better world?
0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:58.660 Dave I don't think there was a lot of.
0:23:1.160 --> 0:23:4.680 Dave Yeah, sort of social action around that.
0:23:4.690 --> 0:23:9.780 Dave I I think we, uh, something that you knew about, but it wasn't.
0:23:9.790 --> 0:23:10.570 Dave There wasn't a whole lot of.
0:23:13.190 --> 0:23:16.350 Dave Activity around that like I think we were aware of it, but there wasn't.
0:23:16.390 --> 0:23:20.0 Dave It wasn't something that we it wasn't protests and and things like that.
0:23:20.10 --> 0:23:23.770 Dave I mean, umm, universities are a different culture.
0:23:23.780 --> 0:23:30.330 Dave It's kind of a little microcosm of the the world in there, but I don't think I recall anything along those lines.
0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:39.660 Dave Umm, any kind of counterculture kind of extra interest the.
0:23:42.290 --> 0:23:44.670 Dave Maybe I I I just can't think of.
0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:52.790 Dave Like aside from from different faculties and so on, but I I don't think there's any kind of interest in that kind of stuff at all.
0:23:52.850 --> 0:23:53.710 Dave Not that I'm aware of.
0:23:55.260 --> 0:24:3.350 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so to what extent did your generation believe that your parents notions about gender, family and dating were outdated?
0:24:9.160 --> 0:24:11.740 Dave But to a fair degree, I guess I mean.
0:24:13.630 --> 0:24:19.40 Dave Umm, gender wasn't a big thing back then, not like it is now.
0:24:19.230 --> 0:24:25.640 Dave Dating, I think you know, my parents hope that you'd marry.
0:24:26.10 --> 0:24:30.160 Dave So don't have kids and grandkids so quickly kind of thing.
0:24:30.170 --> 0:24:35.300 Dave So and and you know you, you'd marry a nice girl or she'd marry a nice guy or whatever.
0:24:36.310 --> 0:24:45.160 Dave I think by the 70s we were a little more laid back about who we picked as a partner, whatever for dating or for marriage or whatever.
0:24:45.170 --> 0:24:52.50 Dave So yeah, I would say we were then pushing away from what my parents would expect.
0:24:53.580 --> 0:24:59.230 Dave Back in my so my parents culture is very like they they it was, it was post war.
0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:4.910 Dave So it was busy getting on with things and building a life and so on and all of other stuff.
0:25:4.920 --> 0:25:15.290 Dave My, my, my parents didn't probably appreciate that as much the so why can't you just find a nice girl and settle down and kind of would be there philosophy, you know?
0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:16.620 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Yeah.
0:25:17.610 --> 0:25:26.610 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so looking back at the 1970s, what aspect of Canadian society did you see as most out of whack and in need of fixing?
0:25:29.980 --> 0:25:30.140 Dave Yeah.
0:25:31.770 --> 0:25:32.440 Dave See, I don't know.
0:25:32.460 --> 0:25:33.750 Dave I really thought about it. Umm.
0:25:40.130 --> 0:25:42.150 Dave I'm not really sure.
0:25:44.540 --> 0:25:49.870 Dave I don't think Ohh most of the people I knew weren't really social activists.
0:25:50.780 --> 0:25:52.290 Dave Umm, weren't.
0:25:54.430 --> 0:25:55.60 Dave Concerned.
0:25:56.180 --> 0:25:57.460 Dave No, that's not the right word.
0:25:57.540 --> 0:25:59.900 Dave Word weren't active about it. Umm.
0:26:2.20 --> 0:26:2.530 Dave I don't think we.
0:26:4.390 --> 0:26:7.810 Dave Like you're you're sort of busy doing your own thing rather than worrying about.
0:26:9.490 --> 0:26:10.560 Dave Social change.
0:26:10.570 --> 0:26:14.60 Dave Social action, at least not that I'm aware of.
0:26:14.70 --> 0:26:14.570 Dave I don't, I don't.
0:26:16.330 --> 0:26:20.130 Dave In kind of a university environment, that wasn't anything that I particularly saw.
0:26:22.90 --> 0:26:28.380 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, So what were the principle forms of injustice in Canadian society during the 1970s?
0:26:30.550 --> 0:26:30.980 Dave Don't go away.
0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:35.130 Dave That I'm having trouble remembering.
0:26:38.110 --> 0:26:40.630 Dave Well, we weren't aware of it, but certainly indigenous.
0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:46.880 Dave Stuff was we I don't think we were aware of it as much back then as we are now.
0:26:48.40 --> 0:26:56.400 Dave Umm, some level of of gender women weren't didn't have access to as many things, but we weren't.
0:26:57.310 --> 0:26:59.200 Dave That wasn't a hot social issue.
0:27:0.380 --> 0:27:1.30 Dave Umm.
0:27:5.990 --> 0:27:11.460 Dave And I I can't think of like it wasn't something that I I think I was particularly aware of.
0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:19.770 Dave You know you're busy doing other things, but not really aware of the the wider social issues kind of thing.
0:27:21.740 --> 0:27:22.390 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK.
0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:27.710 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Did you feel that the political system was democratic, fair and responsive to citizens needs?
0:27:31.20 --> 0:27:39.900 Dave I I would say mostly I mean, so I don't think people thought the system was perfect, but I don't think there was much.
0:27:42.450 --> 0:27:43.570 Dave Unrestored or.
0:27:45.90 --> 0:27:46.350 Dave Activism around that.
0:27:48.580 --> 0:27:51.240 Dave I think there was, I think.
0:27:53.900 --> 0:27:54.40 Dave Yeah.
0:27:54.40 --> 0:27:58.810 Dave It's just they're the political system has always been a bit corrupt, I suppose.
0:27:58.820 --> 0:28:8.160 Dave Or open to all kinds of things, but not not as much and not as umm known as as it is today. Umm.
0:28:9.920 --> 0:28:12.300 Dave So umm, I would say.
0:28:14.450 --> 0:28:17.280 Dave To some degree, but not we were.
0:28:17.290 --> 0:28:20.510 Dave We were busy doing other things, I think rather than focused on that stuff.
0:28:22.510 --> 0:28:37.580 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so cultural historians have argued that the introduction of the birth control pill, legalization of abortion, and it's this, the dissemination of the free love ideology, change, gender relations and the dating practices in the early 1970s.
0:28:37.890 --> 0:28:39.180 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Do you agree with that statement?
0:28:40.180 --> 0:28:41.80 Dave Yeah.
0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:42.820 Dave Yes, very much so.
0:28:43.40 --> 0:28:43.670 Dave Yeah.
0:28:44.450 --> 0:28:44.650 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK.
0:28:44.100 --> 0:28:47.100 Dave Yeah, we did change dating hugely.
0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:53.80 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, So what did dating look like on campus during the 1970s?
0:28:54.830 --> 0:28:56.210 Dave Alright, there was.
0:28:56.220 --> 0:28:57.630 Dave There was a lot of party, yeah.
0:29:0.220 --> 0:29:3.400 Dave I I think it was much more.
0:29:7.740 --> 0:29:14.650 Dave Kids were looking to *** **** more and and did *** **** more than you know a decade before.
0:29:14.820 --> 0:29:20.940 Dave Certainly my parents generation the the uh birth control, it changed a lot.
0:29:20.950 --> 0:29:22.940 Dave The contraception changed all that.
0:29:23.850 --> 0:29:29.430 Dave Which meant you could be more sexual activity that with, you know, worrying about and.
0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:33.90 Dave And it was kind of like, well, this is where it should be kind of thing.
0:29:33.100 --> 0:29:33.820 Dave You know, it wasn't.
0:29:34.130 --> 0:29:40.210 Dave You went around celebrate, but it was just kind of, but it made things a lot easier.
0:29:40.220 --> 0:29:42.230 Dave I think people had a lot more fun.
0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:45.870 Dave I think a lot more hooking up the one on umm, uh.
0:29:46.730 --> 0:29:47.540 Dave Personally, not me.
0:29:47.550 --> 0:29:51.620 Dave I had a girlfriend back in Toronto at the time and my secondary.
0:29:51.630 --> 0:29:56.420 Dave I was married with a host at a mortgage and A and a two week old baby.
0:29:56.430 --> 0:29:59.940 Dave So it was a lot of partying there for me, but I think it was.
0:30:0.570 --> 0:30:6.470 Dave I think it definitely had an impact and made, uh, minute kids.
0:30:6.620 --> 0:30:11.790 Dave So want to enable to some do more.
0:30:13.620 --> 0:30:17.170 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so how did your generation look at family and marriage?
0:30:19.950 --> 0:30:24.400 Dave I think it was just assumed that you'd eventually get married and have a family.
0:30:24.410 --> 0:30:30.50 Dave I think that was many of the people I knew that wasn't an overt thing.
0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:32.940 Dave The joke in the 70s was that.
0:30:35.710 --> 0:30:38.860 Dave At Western lot of women came to get their Mrs degree.
0:30:39.890 --> 0:30:41.280 Dave They did to find a husband.
0:30:41.610 --> 0:30:44.440 Dave That was the Western something that way.
0:30:44.450 --> 0:30:46.580 Dave But I think it was kind of.
0:30:46.790 --> 0:30:51.390 Dave It was assumed that you'd at some point get married and have a family.
0:30:53.460 --> 0:30:58.460 Dave That was the only sort of social structure we you you grew up with kind of thing.
0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:0.760 Dave And again at the time.
0:31:2.830 --> 0:31:3.630 Dave Toronto is fairly.
0:31:4.540 --> 0:31:7.830 Dave Of pretty, pretty straightforward.
0:31:7.840 --> 0:31:18.990 Dave We were conservative, I think very conservative in our behavior and there wasn't a lot of I'm non non traditional families and stuff like that.
0:31:19.0 --> 0:31:26.810 Dave So you came from a background where where you know the mom and dad and you had kids, you know, you had siblings and so on.
0:31:26.820 --> 0:31:33.190 Dave And that's kind of what you grew up expecting, I think in the 70s, people were looking perhaps to change that later.
0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:38.440 Dave But I think the expectations were, you know, a family house in the suburbs and and whatnot.
0:31:41.40 --> 0:31:41.500 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK.
0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:51.470 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So we've reached the final portion of the interview, but this portion is completely optional and it does come with the disclaimer.
0:31:52.100 --> 0:31:56.810 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So the following section is optional and it concerns sexuality and harassment.
0:31:57.300 --> 0:32:4.590 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh We appreciate that not everyone will feel comfortable with these questions and we want to reiterate that your participation is entirely voluntary.
0:32:5.240 --> 0:32:10.200 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh You may choose to answer questions that make you feel uncomfortable or skip this section entirely.
0:32:13.170 --> 0:32:13.390 Dave Yep.
0:32:14.550 --> 0:32:20.300 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so many universities today have been forced to police sexual harassment.
0:32:20.410 --> 0:32:25.660 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh To what extent did university authorities monitor mixers and social events to keep women safe?
0:32:28.420 --> 0:32:33.100 Dave I'm not not much if I don't think.
0:32:33.950 --> 0:32:38.220 Dave I don't know that parties were that wild back then.
0:32:40.260 --> 0:32:43.220 Dave I don't think the universities police that much at all.
0:32:43.230 --> 0:32:46.570 Dave I mean, if something happened on campus, the police would show up, but it wasn't.
0:32:46.900 --> 0:32:47.450 Dave Well, I don't know.
0:32:47.460 --> 0:32:49.130 Dave It was a big thing policing.
0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:56.200 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so our generation is interested in a free love movement.
0:32:56.640 --> 0:33:1.490 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh What was the perception of premarital sex on the university campus in the 1970s?
0:33:1.670 --> 0:33:4.310 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Was it viewed negatively accepted or even encouraged?
0:33:5.180 --> 0:33:6.620 Dave Yeah, I would definitely encourage them.
0:33:8.60 --> 0:33:8.640 Dave It was a.
0:33:13.330 --> 0:33:17.510 Dave Like the world had opened, the doors are opened and you could do what you wanted to do.
0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:21.70 Dave And yeah, so it was a very much a, I mean it wasn't.
0:33:23.550 --> 0:33:25.640 Dave Radical hippies running around the university campus.
0:33:25.650 --> 0:33:28.850 Dave But I I think that very much umm was.
0:33:31.290 --> 0:33:34.540 Dave A birth control and and said open sexuality and so on.
0:33:34.550 --> 0:33:38.410 Dave And and being able to do what you wanted was very much a thing then.
0:33:40.740 --> 0:33:44.530 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So did members of your parents generation worry about premarital sex?
0:33:45.980 --> 0:33:48.370 Dave Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:50.820 Dave But only because you didn't.
0:33:50.860 --> 0:33:52.520 Dave You didn't want to get the.
0:33:53.550 --> 0:34:0.290 Dave You didn't want your daughter to get pregnant or your son to get her pregnant, so that was, I think, the premarital sex and and.
0:34:0.960 --> 0:34:7.160 Dave And having a having a child having a pregnancy were were the big thing that.
0:34:7.170 --> 0:34:13.360 Dave Not sure they were so worried about having sex was the consequences of that if if you happen to get her pregnant kind of thing.
0:34:13.370 --> 0:34:15.100 Dave So I was very much concerned of theirs.
0:34:16.740 --> 0:34:24.340 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so that was the last question of the interview and I would love like to thank you so much for your time. Yes.
0:34:24.290 --> 0:34:24.720 Dave OK.
0:34:24.730 --> 0:34:25.440 Dave You're welcome.
0:34:25.450 --> 0:34:25.970 Dave I hope it's helpful.
0:34:27.60 --> 0:34:27.530 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Yes.
0:0:6.470 --> 0:0:8.20 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So, OK, there we go.
0:3:19.180 --> 0:3:22.750 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So I'll start the recording process now.
0:3:29.880 --> 0:3:30.650 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK.
0:3:30.980 --> 0:3:36.880 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So we'll begin with the first section, which is impact of popular culture.
0:3:37.810 --> 0:3:48.990 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So cultural historians have argued that television, Hollywood, popular music in a consumer culture built around automobiles created a more integrated North American popular culture.
0:3:50.300 --> 0:3:57.550 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh We want to better understand how students relate together with popular culture.
0:3:57.980 --> 0:4:3.320 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So there were less electronics in Canadian society during the 1970s.
0:4:3.690 --> 0:4:8.970 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh How was your leisure time structured, or what did students do for fun in the 1970s?
0:4:11.740 --> 0:4:13.30 Dave We weren't on our cell phones.
0:4:16.820 --> 0:4:17.310 Dave Golly.
0:4:20.200 --> 0:4:21.310 Dave I've umm.
0:4:22.330 --> 0:4:26.40 Dave I had a car so I did and it kept me pretty poor.
0:4:26.270 --> 0:4:28.540 Dave You either had a car or you could have a social life.
0:4:28.630 --> 0:4:29.420 Dave I picked a car.
0:4:31.250 --> 0:4:31.780 Dave I didn't.
0:4:31.870 --> 0:4:36.910 Dave I didn't go out a lot so I I I I didn't live on campus.
0:4:36.920 --> 0:4:37.940 Dave I lived off campus.
0:4:37.950 --> 0:4:41.460 Dave My my first degree, but there I didn't.
0:4:44.90 --> 0:4:47.60 Dave I meet a lot of people there.
0:4:47.70 --> 0:4:47.320 Dave I'm.
0:4:47.330 --> 0:4:58.880 Dave I'm not that at that time wasn't really going or Calgarian, so I don't think I I didn't go and hang out to to any of the bars or whatever busy studying too.
0:4:58.890 --> 0:4:59.60 Dave A lot.
0:4:59.700 --> 0:5:2.230 Dave Umm and I go home on.
0:5:2.320 --> 0:5:6.60 Dave So I lived in Toronto at the time, so I I'd go home from London to Toronto.
0:5:8.40 --> 0:5:11.140 Dave Many weekends, I think at that time I had a girlfriend.
0:5:12.980 --> 0:5:15.470 Dave So any of the social stuff I did was probably in Toronto.
0:5:18.510 --> 0:5:19.280 Dave I didn't really.
0:5:19.290 --> 0:5:26.880 Dave So I lived off campus, so I didn't do a lot of on campus stuff and I didn't really go out and hang out a lot off campus.
0:5:27.570 --> 0:5:28.280 Dave This, I said.
0:5:28.520 --> 0:5:29.970 Dave If you had a car, you were poor.
0:5:31.940 --> 0:5:32.140 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Yeah.
0:5:31.680 --> 0:5:37.660 Dave I put myself through university mostly so it was whatever my summer job gave me in terms of money.
0:5:37.670 --> 0:5:41.440 Dave That's what I lived on, so it was pretty, pretty Spartan.
0:5:42.880 --> 0:5:52.900 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so I know you said that you didn't spend much time on campus, but what were the most popular hangout spots on and off campus that you are aware of?
0:5:54.180 --> 0:5:58.780 Dave It was a every campus has a bar pub, so I'd go there a bit.
0:6:1.260 --> 0:6:2.410 Dave Let's say I don't really think.
0:6:2.420 --> 0:6:4.350 Dave I mean, there'd be football games.
0:6:4.360 --> 0:6:10.240 Dave You know the the the people go to umm, you really hang out that much?
0:6:10.600 --> 0:6:14.310 Dave Umm I I hadn't met that many people.
0:6:14.540 --> 0:6:15.200 Dave Men or women?
0:6:19.30 --> 0:6:21.870 Dave Yeah, I don't really didn't really do that much on campus, to be honest.
0:6:23.360 --> 0:6:23.940 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK.
0:6:23.980 --> 0:6:27.360 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Did you attend any live music events during your university years?
0:6:28.640 --> 0:6:29.150 Dave They had.
0:6:29.900 --> 0:6:33.50 Dave Yeah, there was a concert venue off campus.
0:6:33.250 --> 0:6:39.510 Dave A few shows dating with Murray McLaughlin was one vice Canadian folk singer.
0:6:40.160 --> 0:6:44.560 Dave A few of those, but again, I'm I didn't spend a lot of money on that.
0:6:44.570 --> 0:6:45.880 Dave So a few things.
0:6:46.670 --> 0:6:51.590 Dave Mostly it'd be like a, a, a concert or something like that rock concert.
0:6:53.110 --> 0:6:55.660 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so I'll be skipping the next question.
0:6:56.70 --> 0:7:3.340 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So the original question after that is did anglophones and francophones date each other during the 1970s.
0:7:3.530 --> 0:7:8.200 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh But since Western isn't a bilingual institution, I'll change that question.
0:7:8.210 --> 0:7:16.140 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Did anglophones and basically anyone else, whether it was like international students or anything, did they date each other in the 1970s?
0:7:17.690 --> 0:7:32.690 Dave Album I I think so and back then it was a the university was a lot more white and Western is a is is or has been probably still is known as a fairly well off university.
0:7:32.700 --> 0:7:39.600 Dave They the the women on campus, usually we're pretty from from from some money so.
0:7:41.910 --> 0:7:50.990 Dave But I I don't think there was much in the way of uh, you know, mixed cultures or races, but I don't think anybody thought much of it.
0:7:51.0 --> 0:7:55.900 Dave Like if you you just you hung out with these people in class or you date them.
0:7:55.910 --> 0:7:58.140 Dave I don't think there's any issue that I don't think it wasn't.
0:7:58.150 --> 0:8:0.730 Dave It wasn't big or or small or anything like it was just something.
0:8:0.740 --> 0:8:4.680 Dave Ohh well, you know you're you're dating, you know, black girl, brown girl or whatever.
0:8:4.690 --> 0:8:6.50 Dave I don't only get ever matter to anybody.
0:8:7.40 --> 0:8:8.150 Dave You have to remember, was the.
0:8:8.310 --> 0:8:9.490 Dave That was the early 70s.
0:8:9.500 --> 0:8:20.610 Dave So when I did my physics degree and and things were pretty like Toronto was still pretty white back then, it wasn't that there was a lot of other cultures and so on.
0:8:20.620 --> 0:8:22.490 Dave It wasn't that we didn't know about them.
0:8:22.500 --> 0:8:23.570 Dave It just wasn't that common.
0:8:23.580 --> 0:8:26.980 Dave So Western was kind of a microcosm of that.
0:8:27.60 --> 0:8:31.440 Dave So there there wasn't a lot of different cultures and that was.
0:8:33.160 --> 0:8:35.70 Dave 50 years ago so.
0:8:34.950 --> 0:8:35.90 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh You.
0:8:37.600 --> 0:8:43.730 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so we use the term party culture to refer to social activities outside the classroom.
0:8:44.80 --> 0:8:48.410 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh How would you describe the party culture on campus during the 1970s?
0:8:52.100 --> 0:9:0.310 Dave Well, by the time my, my second degree I I started I started 1979, I graduated 92.
0:9:1.120 --> 0:9:7.290 Dave Umm, there was a lot, a lot more party atmosphere than I think that much later.
0:9:8.20 --> 0:9:14.760 Dave But again, I I lived off campus in my PhD degree or my my physiotherapy degree.
0:9:14.770 --> 0:9:17.470 Dave I was married at the time and my first daughter.
0:9:17.480 --> 0:9:23.480 Dave Your Matt's mom was two weeks old when I first started.
0:9:24.100 --> 0:9:31.600 Dave Umm my physiotherapy degree, so there wasn't a lot of social life that I kind of participated in.
0:9:33.340 --> 0:9:39.870 Dave I think most of a lot of my classmates, it was a professional degree, so a lot of my classmates, we got to know each other, we hung out.
0:9:39.880 --> 0:9:44.360 Dave We had a lot of class parties, umm and love love.
0:9:44.370 --> 0:9:49.740 Dave The kids would go to off campus to some of the bars and stuff, so I think that was fairly common all through the 70s.
0:9:52.930 --> 0:9:56.250 Dave I mean, there's only so much on campus, and you're gonna do most of the social life.
0:9:56.300 --> 0:10:0.740 Dave You went off, grabbed a bus with your buddies or whatever when off campus.
0:10:3.60 --> 0:10:7.0 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, So what did the student body think about the Vietnam War?
0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:13.850 Dave Yeah, it's a.
0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:15.930 Dave It's a while ago I I don't.
0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:17.950 Dave It wasn't umm.
0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:22.290 Dave I don't think it's a big thing.
0:10:22.300 --> 0:10:23.800 Dave I mean, it wasn't something we talked about.
0:10:24.900 --> 0:10:28.110 Dave You knew what was going on, but I don't think it was.
0:10:28.340 --> 0:10:36.370 Dave I don't recall it being a big topic of conversation or or, you know, getting together and having, you know, heated conversations about whether right or wrong.
0:10:36.380 --> 0:10:37.560 Dave I would or whatever. Umm.
0:10:38.430 --> 0:10:42.100 Dave I I at that like and by the by the late 70s.
0:10:42.110 --> 0:10:43.130 Dave I don't think it was a.
0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:48.950 Dave Not really a topic of conversation at all, and it wasn't it.
0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:53.50 Dave It was South of the border, so it wasn't as much our problem as it was.
0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.50 Dave I've had friends from high school who went.
0:10:55.620 --> 0:10:58.820 Dave Listed in the states, but it wasn't really our problem.
0:10:58.830 --> 0:11:1.650 Dave I don't think was a lot of conversation about it.
0:11:2.280 --> 0:11:4.570 Dave The way probably was in the state.
0:11:6.110 --> 0:11:12.250 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so rock'n'roll artist in the 1960s have promoted various forms of protest.
0:11:12.590 --> 0:11:17.290 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Did your parents see rock'n'roll as rebellious or just some sort of pop form of popular music?
0:11:20.560 --> 0:11:24.580 Dave My folks are pretty straight at least, so they there was.
0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:27.310 Dave I thought there was a little bit of rebellion or dollars.
0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:28.930 Dave They weren't awful, but they were.
0:11:29.80 --> 0:11:33.110 Dave Mom and Dad were straight down the line, so yes, I would say they were.
0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:36.150 Dave They would consider it a bit rebellious, uh?
0:11:39.620 --> 0:11:42.230 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so some sorry.
0:11:40.670 --> 0:11:45.640 Dave That dad dad used to joke that they were there to be some music on the radio.
0:11:45.650 --> 0:11:48.200 Dave He he'd say those guys aren't gonna finish at the same time.
0:11:48.210 --> 0:11:50.650 Dave Are they all the positions is there?
0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:54.110 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK.
0:11:52.370 --> 0:11:54.380 Dave Sorry, yeah, didn't much show.
0:11:57.50 --> 0:12:8.200 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So some youth culture voices of the 1970s promoted taking recreational drugs to what extent to what extent were recreational drugs available on campus during the 1970s?
0:12:10.930 --> 0:12:11.330 Dave It wasn't.
0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:14.790 Dave It wasn't a big thing.
0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.580 Dave I mean it it there are kids are kids.
0:12:19.170 --> 0:12:22.160 Dave If you wanted pot, you could you always do somebody.
0:12:22.170 --> 0:12:22.800 Dave You could get it.
0:12:22.810 --> 0:12:24.170 Dave It was still illegal then. Obviously.
0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:26.170 Dave Umm yeah.
0:12:26.900 --> 0:12:28.190 Dave I I don't think.
0:12:30.990 --> 0:12:31.330 Dave I don't know.
0:12:31.340 --> 0:12:33.120 Dave There's a lot of regular outside of part of.
0:12:33.130 --> 0:12:34.770 Dave There's a lot of recreational drug use.
0:12:34.810 --> 0:12:36.370 Dave And even cocaine was not.
0:12:38.420 --> 0:12:41.790 Dave Probably by the 80s or 90s, cocaine became more calm.
0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.140 Dave And but I don't think, umm, I didn't know anybody.
0:12:45.150 --> 0:12:45.520 Dave Who?
0:12:45.590 --> 0:12:47.240 Dave Who knew anybody kind of thing?
0:12:47.250 --> 0:12:47.480 Dave Who?
0:12:47.490 --> 0:12:48.60 Dave Who used it?
0:12:48.70 --> 0:12:48.880 Dave Or or or or.
0:12:48.890 --> 0:12:49.800 Dave No, but I mean it was.
0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:55.520 Dave Was around I'm sure, but I think that the most common thing would have been marijuana.
0:12:55.530 --> 0:12:57.450 Dave But again, you had to.
0:12:57.700 --> 0:12:59.650 Dave You had to work hard to get it and.
0:13:1.640 --> 0:13:2.350 Dave Hello I don't.
0:13:4.730 --> 0:13:8.190 Dave So I'm aware of not none of my friends or classmates really used it a lot.
0:13:8.920 --> 0:13:13.500 Dave If anything was marijuana, I don't think anybody I knew used anything else.
0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:15.590 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Here.
0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.890 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So the next question is optional, but I'll ask it anyways.
0:13:18.900 --> 0:13:21.290 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh You could choose to answer it or not.
0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:27.490 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So from the 1970s speak about tripping and taking psychedelics to reach a higher state of consciousness.
0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:31.140 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh To what extent did students on campus use hallucinogens?
0:13:32.450 --> 0:13:32.700 Dave Who?
0:13:32.900 --> 0:13:35.50 Dave I you know, I don't, I don't think so.
0:13:35.60 --> 0:13:39.870 Dave I think I may be naive here, but I I think you're at on campus.
0:13:40.270 --> 0:13:46.780 Dave You have why should have a little bit more money to maybe other campuses, but I I I I don't think there was a really a focus on that.
0:13:46.790 --> 0:13:52.700 Dave I think you kids are kids, obviously, but I don't think there was a lot of tripping went on.
0:13:52.710 --> 0:13:55.800 Dave I mean, you had to still show up for class and not fail out and so on.
0:13:56.130 --> 0:13:56.540 Dave So I don't.
0:13:58.890 --> 0:14:1.290 Dave I don't think at at at Western.
0:14:1.300 --> 0:14:5.980 Dave I don't think there's a big thing at all, and certainly nothing that I heard.
0:14:6.250 --> 0:14:10.40 Dave I mean, I was always something, I guess, but it wasn't really common at all.
0:14:10.470 --> 0:14:13.940 Dave And I again, they were harder to come by even than than marijuana.
0:14:13.980 --> 0:14:14.440 Dave So.
0:14:14.650 --> 0:14:18.750 Dave So I don't think it was a big thing for me on on Western's campus.
0:14:20.250 --> 0:14:20.960 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK.
0:14:21.30 --> 0:14:25.590 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So we'll be moving on to next section, which is about the female experience.
0:14:26.730 --> 0:14:31.720 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So cultural historians have written a lot about what they call the 2nd wave feminism.
0:14:32.210 --> 0:14:38.730 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh That as a part of the counterculture movement, women during the night in the early 1970s sought to break down gender barriers.
0:14:39.250 --> 0:14:45.160 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Does this argument resonate with your experience on the Universe University campus during the early 1970s?
0:14:47.0 --> 0:14:47.890 Dave I would say so.
0:14:47.900 --> 0:14:49.940 Dave I think it was it.
0:14:50.100 --> 0:14:56.480 Dave Yeah, there was a lot of assuming we can do what we want to kind of thing, I mean.
0:14:58.610 --> 0:15:3.660 Dave I I think that was the the the in the the heat of it back then.
0:15:3.670 --> 0:15:14.20 Dave I mean, women were very conscious of doing what they wanted as they wanted, looking out for themselves, career, sex, as they wanted to, relationships as they wanted to.
0:15:14.30 --> 0:15:16.20 Dave I think that was huge back then.
0:15:16.30 --> 0:15:20.90 Dave I it wasn't something you to me.
0:15:20.100 --> 0:15:21.980 Dave It wasn't a big thing, was kind of like, you know, OK.
0:15:22.20 --> 0:15:27.160 Dave Ohh of course you know and I think a lot of it was that it wasn't like people were.
0:15:27.450 --> 0:15:30.960 Dave I don't remember a protester or or things like that.
0:15:31.30 --> 0:15:36.890 Dave On a cap, women on campus protesting stuff like that, which is kind of, we're just going to do like, let's get it done kind of thing.
0:15:36.990 --> 0:15:37.580 Dave It wasn't.
0:15:37.890 --> 0:15:38.760 Dave It wasn't really.
0:15:39.670 --> 0:15:40.410 Dave There was a lot of.
0:15:41.150 --> 0:15:42.870 Dave I'm sad.
0:15:43.450 --> 0:15:46.440 Dave Social action about which is something like you kind of went.
0:15:46.450 --> 0:15:46.800 Dave Yeah, OK.
0:15:46.810 --> 0:15:47.570 Dave This makes sense.
0:15:47.580 --> 0:15:48.870 Dave At least that's my perception of it.
0:15:49.900 --> 0:15:56.570 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so in your own words, what did feminism signify in Canada during the early 1970s?
0:15:59.30 --> 0:15:59.700 Dave Jeez, I don't know.
0:16:5.820 --> 0:16:11.900 Dave I I guess just equality like the do do.
0:16:11.910 --> 0:16:16.990 Dave There's no particular roles that do what you want it to.
0:16:17.660 --> 0:16:20.110 Dave I it wasn't to me.
0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:29.110 Dave It wasn't about and activism or or protesting or whatever I think was just about, well, yeah, just do what?
0:16:29.290 --> 0:16:30.30 Dave What's right?
0:16:30.40 --> 0:16:30.680 Dave You know what I mean?
0:16:30.690 --> 0:16:31.780 Dave I it wasn't.
0:16:31.850 --> 0:16:39.200 Dave I don't think it was a something to galvanized people to to get together and protest or you know, whatever.
0:16:39.210 --> 0:16:40.150 Dave I think it was just kinda.
0:16:40.460 --> 0:16:43.220 Dave Yeah, that's just this is this is right, let's just move on.
0:16:45.260 --> 0:16:49.770 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So gender distinctions were more pronounced in the 1970s than today.
0:16:50.180 --> 0:16:56.820 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh How did being a woman result in different treatment and expectations in classroom or at social events compared to male students?
0:17:3.570 --> 0:17:4.60 Dave Yeah, I know.
0:17:4.70 --> 0:17:7.430 Dave We like, I think roles were still like.
0:17:11.100 --> 0:17:11.440 Dave You're.
0:17:13.820 --> 0:17:14.220 Dave Your.
0:17:15.740 --> 0:17:19.160 Dave Dating and hanging out, it was like a A I don't think.
0:17:22.140 --> 0:17:23.500 Dave I mean a role.
0:17:23.510 --> 0:17:27.590 Dave I don't know if you had classmates who were male, female.
0:17:27.660 --> 0:17:28.490 Dave Have you hung out?
0:17:28.980 --> 0:17:31.680 Dave We'd, we'd laugh and joke and and study.
0:17:37.420 --> 0:17:38.190 Dave OK, this thing.
0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:39.780 Dave Sorry, my phones ringing here.
0:17:40.460 --> 0:17:40.890 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh That's OK.
0:17:42.300 --> 0:17:42.660 Dave I can't even.
0:17:46.930 --> 0:17:47.500 Dave So I don't.
0:17:49.650 --> 0:17:50.970 Dave Like I don't, it's just.
0:17:54.340 --> 0:17:55.150 Dave There wasn't a blur.
0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.60 Dave I I don't know like it was just you.
0:17:59.370 --> 0:18:0.830 Dave Guys hang out with girls like.
0:18:0.840 --> 0:18:3.170 Dave Yeah, because they were girls and and and vice versa.
0:18:3.180 --> 0:18:6.940 Dave Like it wasn't a, it wasn't kind of a confusion or a wondering about that.
0:18:7.90 --> 0:18:9.390 Dave It was just kind of, you know, does that make sense?
0:18:10.650 --> 0:18:11.980 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh I suppose, yeah.
0:18:12.390 --> 0:18:17.220 0:20:59.170 --> 0:21:6.450 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So in the 1970s, where their programs, departments or clubs where women were less present and accepted.
0:21:12.590 --> 0:21:12.800 Dave I'm.
0:21:16.0 --> 0:21:18.70 Dave I don't, I don't think so.
0:21:18.530 --> 0:21:20.0 Dave I'm. I never.
0:21:20.90 --> 0:21:25.140 Dave I didn't join many of those things, so I don't draw a lot of first time knowledge.
0:21:25.150 --> 0:21:25.980 Dave I don't think there was any.
0:21:28.150 --> 0:21:33.940 Dave I think, yeah, nothing that I can think are really any any discrimination that way.
0:21:33.950 --> 0:21:34.500 Dave Any difference?
0:21:36.660 --> 0:21:36.850 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK.
0:21:37.890 --> 0:21:46.770 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh In the sense of departments, I suppose it's meaning like the Steins Department or alike engineering, where they less present in that.
0:21:45.750 --> 0:21:48.580 Dave Ohh, OK Ohh OK, sorry I misunderstood.
0:21:48.590 --> 0:21:48.920 Dave Yeah.
0:21:48.930 --> 0:21:54.810 Dave Well, certainly engineering was, you know, was a guys hang out all the stuff they did.
0:21:54.820 --> 0:21:58.160 Dave There were very few women in engineering.
0:21:58.390 --> 0:22:7.0 Dave More in science, my that's we have a my class in in, umm physiotherapy.
0:22:7.200 --> 0:22:7.840 Dave It was.
0:22:7.990 --> 0:22:11.720 Dave It was thirty students and 25 are women, so that was.
0:22:11.770 --> 0:22:17.560 Dave But I think that kind of reflected more sort of what society expected people to do.
0:22:17.620 --> 0:22:27.650 Dave But the I think that was part of it, that women didn't gravitate into things like engineering and technology math, that sort of thing. Umm.
0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:27.910 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK.
0:22:29.590 --> 0:22:35.280 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So we'll move on to next bit, which is about ideology and generational differences.
0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:44.430 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So historians have written a lot about what they call the counterculture revolution, meaning that you're a generation rebelled against the values of your parents.
0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:52.660 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Generation to what extent did people in your social circle see themselves as needing to mobilize for a more just society and a better world?
0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:58.660 Dave I don't think there was a lot of.
0:23:1.160 --> 0:23:4.680 Dave Yeah, sort of social action around that.
0:23:4.690 --> 0:23:9.780 Dave I I think we, uh, something that you knew about, but it wasn't.
0:23:9.790 --> 0:23:10.570 Dave There wasn't a whole lot of.
0:23:13.190 --> 0:23:16.350 Dave Activity around that like I think we were aware of it, but there wasn't.
0:23:16.390 --> 0:23:20.0 Dave It wasn't something that we it wasn't protests and and things like that.
0:23:20.10 --> 0:23:23.770 Dave I mean, umm, universities are a different culture.
0:23:23.780 --> 0:23:30.330 Dave It's kind of a little microcosm of the the world in there, but I don't think I recall anything along those lines.
0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:39.660 Dave Umm, any kind of counterculture kind of extra interest the.
0:23:42.290 --> 0:23:44.670 Dave Maybe I I I just can't think of.
0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:52.790 Dave Like aside from from different faculties and so on, but I I don't think there's any kind of interest in that kind of stuff at all.
0:23:52.850 --> 0:23:53.710 Dave Not that I'm aware of.
0:23:55.260 --> 0:24:3.350 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so to what extent did your generation believe that your parents notions about gender, family and dating were outdated?
0:24:9.160 --> 0:24:11.740 Dave But to a fair degree, I guess I mean.
0:24:13.630 --> 0:24:19.40 Dave Umm, gender wasn't a big thing back then, not like it is now.
0:24:19.230 --> 0:24:25.640 Dave Dating, I think you know, my parents hope that you'd marry.
0:24:26.10 --> 0:24:30.160 Dave So don't have kids and grandkids so quickly kind of thing.
0:24:30.170 --> 0:24:35.300 Dave So and and you know you, you'd marry a nice girl or she'd marry a nice guy or whatever.
0:24:36.310 --> 0:24:45.160 Dave I think by the 70s we were a little more laid back about who we picked as a partner, whatever for dating or for marriage or whatever.
0:24:45.170 --> 0:24:52.50 Dave So yeah, I would say we were then pushing away from what my parents would expect.
0:24:53.580 --> 0:24:59.230 Dave Back in my so my parents culture is very like they they it was, it was post war.
0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:4.910 Dave So it was busy getting on with things and building a life and so on and all of other stuff.
0:25:4.920 --> 0:25:15.290 Dave My, my, my parents didn't probably appreciate that as much the so why can't you just find a nice girl and settle down and kind of would be there philosophy, you know?
0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:16.620 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Yeah.
0:25:17.610 --> 0:25:26.610 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so looking back at the 1970s, what aspect of Canadian society did you see as most out of whack and in need of fixing?
0:25:29.980 --> 0:25:30.140 Dave Yeah.
0:25:31.770 --> 0:25:32.440 Dave See, I don't know.
0:25:32.460 --> 0:25:33.750 Dave I really thought about it. Umm.
0:25:40.130 --> 0:25:42.150 Dave I'm not really sure.
0:25:44.540 --> 0:25:49.870 Dave I don't think Ohh most of the people I knew weren't really social activists.
0:25:50.780 --> 0:25:52.290 Dave Umm, weren't.
0:25:54.430 --> 0:25:55.60 Dave Concerned.
0:25:56.180 --> 0:25:57.460 Dave No, that's not the right word.
0:25:57.540 --> 0:25:59.900 Dave Word weren't active about it. Umm.
0:26:2.20 --> 0:26:2.530 Dave I don't think we.
0:26:4.390 --> 0:26:7.810 Dave Like you're you're sort of busy doing your own thing rather than worrying about.
0:26:9.490 --> 0:26:10.560 Dave Social change.
0:26:10.570 --> 0:26:14.60 Dave Social action, at least not that I'm aware of.
0:26:14.70 --> 0:26:14.570 Dave I don't, I don't.
0:26:16.330 --> 0:26:20.130 Dave In kind of a university environment, that wasn't anything that I particularly saw.
0:26:22.90 --> 0:26:28.380 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, So what were the principle forms of injustice in Canadian society during the 1970s?
0:26:30.550 --> 0:26:30.980 Dave Don't go away.
0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:35.130 Dave That I'm having trouble remembering.
0:26:38.110 --> 0:26:40.630 Dave Well, we weren't aware of it, but certainly indigenous.
0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:46.880 Dave Stuff was we I don't think we were aware of it as much back then as we are now.
0:26:48.40 --> 0:26:56.400 Dave Umm, some level of of gender women weren't didn't have access to as many things, but we weren't.
0:26:57.310 --> 0:26:59.200 Dave That wasn't a hot social issue.
0:27:0.380 --> 0:27:1.30 Dave Umm.
0:27:5.990 --> 0:27:11.460 Dave And I I can't think of like it wasn't something that I I think I was particularly aware of.
0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:19.770 Dave You know you're busy doing other things, but not really aware of the the wider social issues kind of thing.
0:27:21.740 --> 0:27:22.390 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK.
0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:27.710 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Did you feel that the political system was democratic, fair and responsive to citizens needs?
0:27:31.20 --> 0:27:39.900 Dave I I would say mostly I mean, so I don't think people thought the system was perfect, but I don't think there was much.
0:27:42.450 --> 0:27:43.570 Dave Unrestored or.
0:27:45.90 --> 0:27:46.350 Dave Activism around that.
0:27:48.580 --> 0:27:51.240 Dave I think there was, I think.
0:27:53.900 --> 0:27:54.40 Dave Yeah.
0:27:54.40 --> 0:27:58.810 Dave It's just they're the political system has always been a bit corrupt, I suppose.
0:27:58.820 --> 0:28:8.160 Dave Or open to all kinds of things, but not not as much and not as umm known as as it is today. Umm.
0:28:9.920 --> 0:28:12.300 Dave So umm, I would say.
0:28:14.450 --> 0:28:17.280 Dave To some degree, but not we were.
0:28:17.290 --> 0:28:20.510 Dave We were busy doing other things, I think rather than focused on that stuff.
0:28:22.510 --> 0:28:37.580 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so cultural historians have argued that the introduction of the birth control pill, legalization of abortion, and it's this, the dissemination of the free love ideology, change, gender relations and the dating practices in the early 1970s.
0:28:37.890 --> 0:28:39.180 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Do you agree with that statement?
0:28:40.180 --> 0:28:41.80 Dave Yeah.
0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:42.820 Dave Yes, very much so.
0:28:43.40 --> 0:28:43.670 Dave Yeah.
0:28:44.450 --> 0:28:44.650 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK.
0:28:44.100 --> 0:28:47.100 Dave Yeah, we did change dating hugely.
0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:53.80 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, So what did dating look like on campus during the 1970s?
0:28:54.830 --> 0:28:56.210 Dave Alright, there was.
0:28:56.220 --> 0:28:57.630 Dave There was a lot of party, yeah.
0:29:0.220 --> 0:29:3.400 Dave I I think it was much more.
0:29:7.740 --> 0:29:14.650 Dave Kids were looking to *** **** more and and did *** **** more than you know a decade before.
0:29:14.820 --> 0:29:20.940 Dave Certainly my parents generation the the uh birth control, it changed a lot.
0:29:20.950 --> 0:29:22.940 Dave The contraception changed all that.
0:29:23.850 --> 0:29:29.430 Dave Which meant you could be more sexual activity that with, you know, worrying about and.
0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:33.90 Dave And it was kind of like, well, this is where it should be kind of thing.
0:29:33.100 --> 0:29:33.820 Dave You know, it wasn't.
0:29:34.130 --> 0:29:40.210 Dave You went around celebrate, but it was just kind of, but it made things a lot easier.
0:29:40.220 --> 0:29:42.230 Dave I think people had a lot more fun.
0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:45.870 Dave I think a lot more hooking up the one on umm, uh.
0:29:46.730 --> 0:29:47.540 Dave Personally, not me.
0:29:47.550 --> 0:29:51.620 Dave I had a girlfriend back in Toronto at the time and my secondary.
0:29:51.630 --> 0:29:56.420 Dave I was married with a host at a mortgage and A and a two week old baby.
0:29:56.430 --> 0:29:59.940 Dave So it was a lot of partying there for me, but I think it was.
0:30:0.570 --> 0:30:6.470 Dave I think it definitely had an impact and made, uh, minute kids.
0:30:6.620 --> 0:30:11.790 Dave So want to enable to some do more.
0:30:13.620 --> 0:30:17.170 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so how did your generation look at family and marriage?
0:30:19.950 --> 0:30:24.400 Dave I think it was just assumed that you'd eventually get married and have a family.
0:30:24.410 --> 0:30:30.50 Dave I think that was many of the people I knew that wasn't an overt thing.
0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:32.940 Dave The joke in the 70s was that.
0:30:35.710 --> 0:30:38.860 Dave At Western lot of women came to get their Mrs degree.
0:30:39.890 --> 0:30:41.280 Dave They did to find a husband.
0:30:41.610 --> 0:30:44.440 Dave That was the Western something that way.
0:30:44.450 --> 0:30:46.580 Dave But I think it was kind of.
0:30:46.790 --> 0:30:51.390 Dave It was assumed that you'd at some point get married and have a family.
0:30:53.460 --> 0:30:58.460 Dave That was the only sort of social structure we you you grew up with kind of thing.
0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:0.760 Dave And again at the time.
0:31:2.830 --> 0:31:3.630 Dave Toronto is fairly.
0:31:4.540 --> 0:31:7.830 Dave Of pretty, pretty straightforward.
0:31:7.840 --> 0:31:18.990 Dave We were conservative, I think very conservative in our behavior and there wasn't a lot of I'm non non traditional families and stuff like that.
0:31:19.0 --> 0:31:26.810 Dave So you came from a background where where you know the mom and dad and you had kids, you know, you had siblings and so on.
0:31:26.820 --> 0:31:33.190 Dave And that's kind of what you grew up expecting, I think in the 70s, people were looking perhaps to change that later.
0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:38.440 Dave But I think the expectations were, you know, a family house in the suburbs and and whatnot.
0:31:41.40 --> 0:31:41.500 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK.
0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:51.470 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So we've reached the final portion of the interview, but this portion is completely optional and it does come with the disclaimer.
0:31:52.100 --> 0:31:56.810 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So the following section is optional and it concerns sexuality and harassment.
0:31:57.300 --> 0:32:4.590 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh We appreciate that not everyone will feel comfortable with these questions and we want to reiterate that your participation is entirely voluntary.
0:32:5.240 --> 0:32:10.200 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh You may choose to answer questions that make you feel uncomfortable or skip this section entirely.
0:32:13.170 --> 0:32:13.390 Dave Yep.
0:32:14.550 --> 0:32:20.300 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so many universities today have been forced to police sexual harassment.
0:32:20.410 --> 0:32:25.660 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh To what extent did university authorities monitor mixers and social events to keep women safe?
0:32:28.420 --> 0:32:33.100 Dave I'm not not much if I don't think.
0:32:33.950 --> 0:32:38.220 Dave I don't know that parties were that wild back then.
0:32:40.260 --> 0:32:43.220 Dave I don't think the universities police that much at all.
0:32:43.230 --> 0:32:46.570 Dave I mean, if something happened on campus, the police would show up, but it wasn't.
0:32:46.900 --> 0:32:47.450 Dave Well, I don't know.
0:32:47.460 --> 0:32:49.130 Dave It was a big thing policing.
0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:56.200 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so our generation is interested in a free love movement.
0:32:56.640 --> 0:33:1.490 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh What was the perception of premarital sex on the university campus in the 1970s?
0:33:1.670 --> 0:33:4.310 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Was it viewed negatively accepted or even encouraged?
0:33:5.180 --> 0:33:6.620 Dave Yeah, I would definitely encourage them.
0:33:8.60 --> 0:33:8.640 Dave It was a.
0:33:13.330 --> 0:33:17.510 Dave Like the world had opened, the doors are opened and you could do what you wanted to do.
0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:21.70 Dave And yeah, so it was a very much a, I mean it wasn't.
0:33:23.550 --> 0:33:25.640 Dave Radical hippies running around the university campus.
0:33:25.650 --> 0:33:28.850 Dave But I I think that very much umm was.
0:33:31.290 --> 0:33:34.540 Dave A birth control and and said open sexuality and so on.
0:33:34.550 --> 0:33:38.410 Dave And and being able to do what you wanted was very much a thing then.
0:33:40.740 --> 0:33:44.530 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh So did members of your parents generation worry about premarital sex?
0:33:45.980 --> 0:33:48.370 Dave Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:50.820 Dave But only because you didn't.
0:33:50.860 --> 0:33:52.520 Dave You didn't want to get the.
0:33:53.550 --> 0:34:0.290 Dave You didn't want your daughter to get pregnant or your son to get her pregnant, so that was, I think, the premarital sex and and.
0:34:0.960 --> 0:34:7.160 Dave And having a having a child having a pregnancy were were the big thing that.
0:34:7.170 --> 0:34:13.360 Dave Not sure they were so worried about having sex was the consequences of that if if you happen to get her pregnant kind of thing.
0:34:13.370 --> 0:34:15.100 Dave So I was very much concerned of theirs.
0:34:16.740 --> 0:34:24.340 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh OK, so that was the last question of the interview and I would love like to thank you so much for your time. Yes.
0:34:24.290 --> 0:34:24.720 Dave OK.
0:34:24.730 --> 0:34:25.440 Dave You're welcome.
0:34:25.450 --> 0:34:25.970 Dave I hope it's helpful.
0:34:27.60 --> 0:34:27.530 Tara Mokhtare Zadeh Yes.
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“Wilkinson, Dave (Interview),” Life on Campus, accessed December 22, 2024, http://omeka.uottawa.ca/lifeoncampus/items/show/58.